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Scoble on The RSS Advisory Board
Robert Scoble had some interesting misunderstandings to say this weekend about The RSS Advisory Board. His blog entry has already been mostly butchered with corrections as people point out his numerous misunderstandings, but there remains a few more which I’d like to address.
- First, Scoble says “the RSS Advisory board, which includes members from Cisco, Yahoo, Netscape, FeedBurner (er, Google), Microsoft, and Bloglines”. That’s entirely true. What he fails to point out is the those BigCos make up only 6 of the 14 members of the RSS Advisory Board. Less than half. That’s very deceptive and I’m disappointed that he’d try to pull that on his readers. Most of the members of the board are from small companies Rogers Cadenhead is an author of technical books and professional blogger. James Holderness works on an RSS reader called Snarfer. Meg Hourihan is a professional blogger. Loic Le Meur works for Six Apart (not a BigCo). Greg Smith works on an RSS reader called FeederReader. The board is controlled by SmallCos, not BigCos. Don’t be fooled by Scoble.
- Second, Scoble says ”this new unofficial board”. New? It’s been around since 2003. Second, it’s the official board. It was created by Dave Winer himself. Who later resigned. In fact, it was Dave that put Rogers Cadenhead, the current chair, on the board. I’ll recount the history of the board in a later post.
- Last, he says “The big companies are in charge and we ve gotta deal with any mess they get together and create for all of us.” Well, they aren’t in charge. Rogers Cadenhead is the chair of the RSS Advisory Board and he doesn’t work for a BigCo. And, as I’ve already mentioned, less than half the board is manned by employees of BigCos. In fact, the three most active members of the board, Rogers, James and myself are not employees of any BigCo.
http://scobleizer.com/2007/07/22/feedburner-bad-for-us/
All in all, this is very disappointing of Robert. I suspect that he was fed the propaganda from Dave Winer and he was likely completely misinformed of the truth.
Disclaimer: I am a member of The RSS Advisory Board. I also created a website r-mail.org, which was purchased by NBC (a BigCo). I am on temporary contract to transition the website to NBC, but I am not an employee of any company. I’m a professional RV Blogger.
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Google Wants to Control RSS?
On Scoble’s blog, Dave left the following comment which I have to highlight because it’s just so wrong.
The rest of your post is right. The big companies, including Google, are trying to take control of RSS, and it s in contradiction to the roadmap, and just plain wrong. I ve asked them to stop, and so far they ve ignored the request. Thanks for raising the issue publicly.
http://scobleizer.com/2007/07/22/feedburner-bad-for-us/#comment-808412
Google is trying to take control of RSS? Let’s get this straight. Google’s member on the RSS Advisory Board is Eric Lunt. He worked for FeedBurner. If Google didn’t buy FeedBurner, then they wouldn’t even have one member on the board. And I securely doubt membership on the RSS Advisory Board had anything to do with Google’s purchase of FeedBurner. Previously, Jason Shellen, a member of the board, was employed by Google, but that’s no longer true. Neither Eric Lunt nor Jason Shellen have been overly active on the RSS Advisory Board. Almost all the activities of the board are public and available on the website and message boards. The only private activities is nominating and voting for new members. Everybody has the ability to scour those boards and what you’ll find is that Eric and Jason have been completely passive members of the board. So, how are they trying to control RSS? They aren’t. It’s just more propaganda from Dave Winer.
Further, we have tried multiple times to include Dave Winer in the process at his own request. He’s even proposed that he be a member of the board. In every case where we’ve tried to compromise, Dave simply broke off contact when a compromise was close. Dave has never responded to any of my private emails to move the compromise forward, nor have any of the board members indicated to me that he’s sent them a private email. I’ve indicated to him that all the members have public profiles and can be contacted directly. Dave requested permission to post on the board mailing list in order to address the members. I offered to post whatever he wanted on the board mailing list and he never replied. Dave is all about propaganda and deception. He lies and somehow his posse continues to fall for his ploy. I’m losing respect for that posse.
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History of the RSS Advisory Board
Some people want you to believe that the RSS Advisory Board is unofficial and doesn’t have the mandate to make clarifications to the RSS specification. I thought it would be great to create a time-line of the RSS Advisory Board. So that you can read the history yourself, thru blog entries, many from the horses mouth, Dave Winer’s blogs.
- July 17 2003 - The RSS Advisory Board is created. The initial members are Dave Winer, Jon Udell and Brent Simmons.
- July 17 2003 - The RSS Advisory Board mandate is described as “write tech notes, advocate for RSS, make minor changes to the spec per the roadmap, help people use the technology, send flowers to developers, maintain a directory of compatible applications, accept contributions from community members, and otherwise do what we can to help people and organizations be successful with RSS.” Note that it includes making minor changes to the spec per the roadmap.
- February 3 2004 - Dave asks me what I’d do if I were on the RSS Advisory Board.
- May 14 2004 - Rogers Cadenhead, Andrew Grumet and Adam Curry are added to the RSS Advisory Board.
- June 4 2004 - The RSS Advisory Board proposes its first clarification to the RSS 2.0 specification.
- June 19 2004 - The proposed clarifications are added to the RSS 2.0 specification.
- June 25 2004 - Dave Winer resigns from the RSS Advisory Board. Dave blogs “I feel that the process for clarifying the spec is now well-understood by the existing members.” An admission that the board retains the right to clarify the specification.
- July 5 2004 - Steve Zellers is added to the RSS Advisory Board. There was never any announcement and nobody ever mentioned his role other than myself.
- September 15 2004 - Dave Winer acknowledges that the RSS Advisory Board still has work. “A perennial problem with RSS is how does the publisher force an unsubscribe? [cut] And many content people can’t change their server in this way. I’m no longer on the RSS advisory board, so I won’t be playing a role in solving the problem, but it needs to be solved. ”
- December 2 2005 - I badgered the RSS Advisory Board lack of action and asked Rogers Cadenhead to replace the existing passive members.
- January 30 2006 - The RSS Advisory Board expands to include Meg Hourihan, Loic Le Meur, Eric Lunt, Ross Mayfield, Jenny Levine, myself, Greg Reinacker and David Sifry.
- March 22 2006 - Greg Smith joins the RSS Advisory Board.
- April 24 2006 - Jason Shellen and Jake Savin join the RSS Advisory Board.
- May 8 2006 - Matthew Bookspan joins the RSS Advisory Board.
- June 21 2006 - Jason Douglas joins the RSS Advisory Board.
- August 12 2006 - The RSS Advisory Board adopts minor changes to the RSS 2.0 specification.
- October 3 2006 - James Holderness and Paul Querna join the RSS Advisory Board.
- December 14 2006 - The RSS Advisory Board publishes the auto-discovery specification.
- March 12 2007 - Chris Finke joins the RSS Advisory Board.
- June 6 2007 - The RSS Advisory Board adopts minor changes to the RSS 2.0 specification.
Nowhere was there ever any announcement that the RSS Advisory Board ceased to exist. Rogers Cadenhead was a member of the board along side Dave Winer and has been on the board ever since. None of the members other than Dave Winer have ever suggested that the board discontinued at any point and Dave only after the fact. Dave is simply upset with the direction of the RSS Advisory Board since he quit on his own terms. So now, he claims the RSS Advisory Board doesn’t exist, as if his blog can change history itself.
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